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End · Sep 21, 2010, 06:14 PM // 18:14

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Originally Posted by Verene

so they can decide how they can be answered.

or not answered in the case of the question mentioning GvG updates.

shoyon456 · Sep 21, 2010, 06:16 PM // 18:16

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Originally Posted by jazilla

it's a good interview on your part and his for the most part. he's a funny dude but using the CB as an excuse for not working on the derv update is pretty lame. i want to hear your actual opinion of what was being said. i want commentary by informed interviewers and not just "here are the canned responses i got from developer A". is it me or doesn't it seem as if focusing on costume brawl rather than a previously announced major skill update to the dervish is A.) a waste of time OR B.) a cover up for why the Derv update isn't being worked on OR C.) a poor decision? I just want your opinion on that is all because we aren't getting any actual info from these guys as to what is really going on. they aren't obliged to offer up anything, but to lie about it or use CB as an excuse seems like a poor decision to me.

Kinda hard to descipher this blob of text, but I agree with the content. Call it poor planning or what you will, but CB has a set date every year. If they had planned to change CB for some time now, they should have planned appropriately instead of starting on the Dervish updates only to stop partway through, letting it take backseat.

Remember when there used to be skill updates every month? Then they said they couldn't keep up with that, so they said every 2 months. Now its a few full skill balances a year, and they haven't even kept up with that.

I'm looking forward to what they put out for the Dervish since it is my main. It also sounds like they may have interesting ideas for the class, even though new mechanics will always pose a huge risk for game balance. However, its sad that this is the state of the support of the game I once truly enjoyed.

If they want to demonstrate that they haven't had their thumbs up their asses these three and a half months while working on the Dervish skills, they'll test out a sampling of these new mechanics/updates with the Dervish builds in CB. THAT would go a long ways for Anet's cred in my book.

I don't mind their dodging questions or any of that, since every business has to do that. I'd rather see their actions than hear the talk anyways. So far, there is little to no action.

*lemming* · Sep 21, 2010, 06:43 PM // 18:43

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Originally Posted by Ravious

And some are much less forthcoming *coughBlizzardcough*.

Considering the sheer volume of actual information Blizzard supplies through blue posts, this hardly seems like an issue.

Of course, when we're used to official representatives posting tripe, it's hard to think about it.

Lanier · Sep 21, 2010, 07:14 PM // 19:14

So I guess with the derv update and the GWB stuff being mentioned... we can expect the para update in like a year?

Neith · Sep 21, 2010, 07:27 PM // 19:27

No that's the derv update..para a year and a half...

Ka Tet · Sep 21, 2010, 08:10 PM // 20:10

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Originally Posted by lemming

Considering the sheer volume of actual information Blizzard supplies through blue posts, this hardly seems like an issue.

Of course, when we're used to official representatives posting tripe, it's hard to think about it.

I love when Lemming gets involved, b/c then the less judicious mods seem to hang back and let the thread shape itself.

Also, I wouldn't try holding my breath waiting for paragon love.

Hells Fury · Sep 21, 2010, 09:06 PM // 21:06

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Originally Posted by Ka Tet

I love when Lemming gets involved, b/c then the less judicious mods seem to hang back and let the thread shape itself.

Not the most favorite mod around here, mostly because he replies with sarcasm and arrogance.
Lets see when will this get deleted b/c it's off topic : P

jazilla · Sep 21, 2010, 11:26 PM // 23:26

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Originally Posted by Skyy High

How is using CB as an "excuse" lame? Halloween has a set date, if they want to make any changes to the builds (let alone maps) they need to have them done by then. That's a date that they can't change or push back, unlike, say, the Dervish update. CB is something that a lot of people really look forward to. Yes, I even think it'd be cool if it could stay year-round, as sort of the "casual Codex" (heh, CA and CB). We know they swap builds around every year, so it's not like they're just scrambling for something to work on to delay the dervish update....and seriously, why the **** would they just push something back for no reason? For teh lulz? I've heard conspiracy theorists less loony than that.

If you want to criticize decisions, fine, but can you all stop with the absurd "they're covering it up, they want us to forget about it!" BS? If they were covering it up, they wouldn't have talked about it in the interview, which, in case you forget, actually did give us a new snippet of info: they're not just changing skill numbers or making AoHM scale with Mysticism, they're looking to revamp the class with new mechanics. That's new. It also begins to explain why this is taking so long.

The mesmer update was worth the wait. Chill the **** out already.

because CB lasts for about 5 days in the whole year. The Derv update affects gameplay as a whole moving forward. it is vastly more important in the grand scheme of things and if you had read my previous posts i said that the only way CB should trump the derv update is IF they put it in the battle isles.
The Derv update on the other hand affects solo play/pvp play/team play and which heroes to use. not liking my opinion is one thing. cussing at me and telling me to chill the blank out is ridiculous.

ilr · Sep 21, 2010, 11:31 PM // 23:31

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Originally Posted by Skyy High

We got a hell of a lot more than Panic out of that update, thanks. It just so happens that PUGs <3 mesmers with Panic now...and I'm fine with that. It's effective, it's somewhat mesmer-y, it gets you into groups, and it leaves 7 skills open for you to screw around with all the other toys we got.

Enchant juggling was the dervish's signature mechanic, and I don't care how good you think you are, it's just not worth doing it right now. It's debatable whether it ever was. If their "new mechanic" makes it worthwhile, wouldn't that be a good thing? It's clear from their talk, at least, that they're not content to buff numbers and tie everything to Mysticism to "fix" them, which we should be happy about.

ugh I can't even respond to this... all I can do right now is /facepalm to avoid poppin' a vessel

End · Sep 21, 2010, 11:41 PM // 23:41

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Originally Posted by jazilla

because CB lasts for about 5 days in the whole year. The Derv update affects gameplay as a whole moving forward. it is vastly more important in the grand scheme of things and if you had read my previous posts i said that the only way CB should trump the derv update is IF they put it in the battle isles.
The Derv update on the other hand affects solo play/pvp play/team play and which heroes to use. not liking my opinion is one thing. cussing at me and telling me to chill the blank out is ridiculous.

funny I didnt even see skyy's post earlier.

I agree pretty much with what you say. I think the builds need to be update and all but I mean really that should take only a short period of time. They shouldn't be doing much work on it when a major update is needed to bring an entire profession into a useful state.

I mean really which is more important? A week long (I don't remember the actually length so I'll guess) minigame, or, An update that will (hopefully) fix an entire profession and have a long lasting/permanent effect on the game.

Not saying its necessarily a cover-up. I'm saying they need to get their priorities straight or make CB permanent, with the update.

Edit: While I would like to note that I would love for CB to be made permanent. Still they should fix shit before they add stuff in that they won't be able to keep up with.

Karate Jesus · Sep 22, 2010, 12:00 AM // 00:00

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Originally Posted by End

Not saying its necessarily a cover-up. I'm saying they need to get their priorities straight or make CB permanent, with the update.

Edit: While I would like to note that I would love for CB to be made permanent. Still they should fix shit before they add stuff in that they won't be able to keep up with.

Very true. I would love to see CB become a permanent thing in GW, but that won't fix the game and it won't make up for how bad Codex is.

They need to get their heads on straight and fix the important things.

Xiaquin · Sep 22, 2010, 05:04 AM // 05:04

I think everyone missed the part where Halloween is time-sensitive, and a derv update, while difficult to complete, is not.

Look at it another way: Halloween is for everyone, a dervish is one profession out of many that needs fixes. Demanding top priority, when it would mean pushing back event updates until next year, is completely selfish. Maybe they didn't expect it to take so long to get the dervish update to their liking? Should that mean other items get bumped? Be serious.

reaper with no name · Sep 22, 2010, 05:22 AM // 05:22

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Originally Posted by Shadar

Interview with the Live Team

As for the Dervish update, it has been seeing good progress although it’s temporarily on hold while this year’s Costume Brawl is being worked on – since there’s new costumes and builds being added. For those curious, the Dervish update is looking to include some new mechanics for the class to make it more feasible to play – it’s more than just a matter of changing skill numbers around. We’re trying to address issues such as other classes being better with scythes than the Dervish itself, which offers very little incentive to play one as your primary profession.[/i]

I don't know whether to be excited at the possibilities, or depressed at the possibility that Anet will royally screw it up.

End · Sep 22, 2010, 05:32 AM // 05:32

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Originally Posted by Xiaquin

I think everyone missed the part where Halloween is time-sensitive, and a derv update, while difficult to complete, is not.

Look at it another way: Halloween is for everyone, a dervish is one profession out of many that needs fixes. Demanding top priority, when it would mean pushing back event updates until next year, is completely selfish. Maybe they didn't expect it to take so long to get the dervish update to their liking? Should that mean other items get bumped? Be serious.

Theres always the possibility that god forbid dervish become viable heros in a way that would benefit everyone? Or that they may become usfull. And tbh CB only appeals to some people.

Next, CB is not bad the way it is. Ok, update the builds. Besides that nothing really NEEDS to get done to it. Whereas dervishs on the other hand NEED an update to make them viable.

Dervishs are a main part of the game. Your basically saying all those people who would enjoy playing their dervish's don't matter because we want to make superfluous changes in CB for the few people over there. Because them getting a frilly update is more important then the overall enjoyment of those who's main is a dervish?

If it was to make major overhauls to the ENTIRE event. I may feel differently but it's a small portion of the event that effects a limited number of people. Whereas if they do a good job with the Dervish update it could have a good overall effect on everyone.

Side note: We have seen how anet works under tight schedules and I wouldn't be suprised if the CB update wasn't done in time for Halloween anyway.

side note 2: I havent slept recently so if this makes no sense disregard.

Elnino · Sep 22, 2010, 07:00 AM // 07:00

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Originally Posted by reaper with no name

I don't know whether to be excited at the possibilities, or depressed at the possibility that Anet will royally screw it up.

I'm putting my money on the latter.

Anon-e-mouse · Sep 22, 2010, 09:22 AM // 09:22

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Originally Posted by MArcSinus

Like you even use air and water heroes lol, most likely only earth, fire and ER Prot so 3 is enough.

Hero's don't run ER prot correctly without a lot of micro.. so that's out.

Generally my Vekk is Fire, Souskay (sp) is Earth, and Zhed is Water (Ward Against Harm is nice in HM), it would just be nice to have the 4th hero so I can run an Air ele, without having to re-rune and re-equip one of the others.

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Originally Posted by Ayuhmii Shanbwa

think about it, 3 eles wont be used in same team, as most people use discord/spiritway/anotherway and you need healing, which henchies are not really good at, so 4 eles which wont be used in the same team cant be any better, with a team which allows 3 heroes from each player

Whilst to an extent that is true, I do like to set all my toon's heroes the same way. It makes it much easier when it comes to hero selection. For example, Dunk is always my healer, Tahlkora is my Prot, Oggie is smite.. Koss = Sword, Jora = Axe, Goren = Hammer, and so on, and so forth.

Most of the professions have enough heros to cover the basic build ideas (except Necros where Discord and Sabway sorta means you can't rune one Death, one Blood and one Curses and hope to cover everything), except Ele's, Mesmers, Sins, Para's and Rits.

MArcSinus · Sep 22, 2010, 10:27 AM // 10:27

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Originally Posted by Anon-e-mouse

Hero's don't run ER prot correctly without a lot of micro.. so that's out.

Generally my Vekk is Fire, Souskay (sp) is Earth, and Zhed is Water (Ward Against Harm is nice in HM), it would just be nice to have the 4th hero so I can run an Air ele, without having to re-rune and re-equip one of the others.

So wrong.. ER prot is a very very good hero build lol, I've runed sousuke to run both ER Prot and ER Orders so thats at least 2 in 1.

Ward against harm in hard mode c'mon man.. try using earth wards or the paragon shouts, same thing and not even elite.

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Originally Posted by Anon-e-mouse

Most of the professions have enough heros to cover the basic build ideas (except Necros where Discord and Sabway sorta means you can't rune one Death, one Blood and one Curses and hope to cover everything), except Ele's, Mesmers, Sins, Para's and Rits.

Also wrong, rune the necro's into Death magic, Curses and save on for a pure resto and you're done.

End · Sep 22, 2010, 10:34 AM // 10:34

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Originally Posted by MArcSinus

So wrong.. ER prot is a very very good hero build lol, I've runed sousuke to run both ER Prot and ER Orders so thats at least 2 in 1.

Ward against harm in hard mode c'mon man.. try using earth wards or the paragon shouts, same thing and not even elite.

ER prot is not bad on heros. But not as effective as a human running it. ER orders...I can't speak on as I have never used it.

Ward against Harm actually isn't bad. I have used it a couple times (though not on a hero) when I was vanqing areas with large amounts of fire damage. The rest of the build was stuff like blurred vision or Shard storm. Wasn't amazing. But wasn't bad either.

Xenomortis · Sep 22, 2010, 10:55 AM // 10:55

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Originally Posted by End

Ward against Harm actually isn't bad.

It's in Water Magic. I think that alone makes it bad in PvE.

fr.aodhan · Sep 22, 2010, 11:09 AM // 11:09

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Originally Posted by Xiaquin

I think everyone missed the part where Halloween is time-sensitive, and a derv update, while difficult to complete, is not.

I think that's pretty clear, but it's also true that Halloween is entirely predictable, meaning that it could have been done at any time after the last Costume Battle.

In a class I teach, I give the students a list of the homework and due dates for the entire semester. If a student tells me that the homework is taking longer than expected and he has other priorities, I'm more likely to give him the benefit of the doubt than if he simply says that he's putting aside the homework to plan an upcoming Halloween party. To players who are devoted to the Dervish and are anticipating the update, the difference is subtle but meaningful.

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Maybe they didn't expect it to take so long to get the dervish update to their liking?

It would have been easy and beneficial to say so. We can speculate that they had better motives for putting the Dervish update aside, but the reason we're actually given is that "there’s new costumes and builds being added."

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Should that mean other items get bumped?

Should updates to the CB be bumped for the Dervish update? Yes, I would like that. I understand others will vote differently, but as one player of the game, this is what I'd prefer. I'm more attached to my main than a seasonal event. I don't see why this opinion is necessarily invalid.